i have a 2000 extended cab s dime, and bagged the front myself, but im letting someone else do the rear (notch and 4 link) ive got jasons 4 link and the guy is wanting to do a reverse set up. two bars forward and the top bars going to the back, becuase of the fuel tank getting in the way. i know this isn't the best way by no means, but i just dont have the cash for a fuel cell... this is my everyday driver and i need it to be pretty relaible... anyone have any imput? is it gonna ride like shit?
2low4va
Ok not to start a flame war but reverse setups are not that bad...id take one over any of the bolt on kits out there. Sure a forward link setup is better, but I dont personally know anyone who has had a problem with a reverse setup. Thats what on my truck and a lot of my friends trucks.
But S-10s are soo easy. Buy a blazer tank and put it in the rear and run a proper forward facing 4 link.
But S-10s are soo easy. Buy a blazer tank and put it in the rear and run a proper forward facing 4 link.
A "half and half" as he called it is the worst. either do all 4 bars forward, or backward.BaggnS10 said:
I just got my link done, I did 4 forward 4 link bars, it works, but because of the angle of the bars my pinion angle changes a good bit between heights. the rear 2 of the six bars are unaffected by the height.
so either way will work if done right, all forward or all reverse
I'm going to run 2 bars forward, and 2 bars reverse on my chevy fullsize. A shop out in cali called IYF Customs does this, and they've done a dozen or more late model chevy's that haven't had any problems. A lot of guys in my town are running a forward-reverse and it works good, but that is just our experience. Not trying to start nothing just thought I would share our experience.
I've talked with many people on this forum personally about their 'half & halfs' as well as full reversal's and most have told me that after driving it for a lil bit, they start to hate it, mainly because of the way braking is affected by it.
And to AnotherS: I'd like to hear your reasoning behind wanting to take a reverse 4 link over a bolt in, forward facing, 4 link. As I've stated in many many other threads, I've had my KP bolt on for over a year and a half now, longer than almost everyone on this board that has one. I've never had a problem with the design or function of the 4 link. And I, as well as 95% of the other people on this board would probably take the bolt in over the reverse.
Since we are on the topic anywho, you see all these reputable companies making forward bolt in 4 links, and then all these shops 'saying' that they've done reverse and half & halfs with NO PROBLEM, then why aren't the reputable companies producing bolt in reverse 4 links? BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE LONG TERM EFFECTS AND HOW IT IS BAD FOR THE SUSPENSION. Just because a 'shop' does it, or a magazine shows it, or a buddy has it, does not by any means mean that it is correct, or the best way to do something.
Sure a reverse link is 'different', to say the least, but IMO, installing, creating, or pushing a reverse 4 link is ignorant, and it just means that you are lazy. It is very easy to install a WELD IN forward 4 link without relocating the gas tank. There are pictures of it on the forum from one of the top installers/vendors/fabricators here, IRSd_mini. Jason as well, do you think that he would create a reverse 4 link, knowing what can happen to a suspension because of it? NO.
My point is, if you really want to do a reverse 4 link, and you think you have the knowledge to do one properly (there is no such thing), then go for it. But I would recommend that you do a little research and find out or look at pictures and determine how to do a forward 4 link. Your truck will thank you years down the road.
And to AnotherS: I'd like to hear your reasoning behind wanting to take a reverse 4 link over a bolt in, forward facing, 4 link. As I've stated in many many other threads, I've had my KP bolt on for over a year and a half now, longer than almost everyone on this board that has one. I've never had a problem with the design or function of the 4 link. And I, as well as 95% of the other people on this board would probably take the bolt in over the reverse.
Since we are on the topic anywho, you see all these reputable companies making forward bolt in 4 links, and then all these shops 'saying' that they've done reverse and half & halfs with NO PROBLEM, then why aren't the reputable companies producing bolt in reverse 4 links? BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE LONG TERM EFFECTS AND HOW IT IS BAD FOR THE SUSPENSION. Just because a 'shop' does it, or a magazine shows it, or a buddy has it, does not by any means mean that it is correct, or the best way to do something.
Sure a reverse link is 'different', to say the least, but IMO, installing, creating, or pushing a reverse 4 link is ignorant, and it just means that you are lazy. It is very easy to install a WELD IN forward 4 link without relocating the gas tank. There are pictures of it on the forum from one of the top installers/vendors/fabricators here, IRSd_mini. Jason as well, do you think that he would create a reverse 4 link, knowing what can happen to a suspension because of it? NO.
My point is, if you really want to do a reverse 4 link, and you think you have the knowledge to do one properly (there is no such thing), then go for it. But I would recommend that you do a little research and find out or look at pictures and determine how to do a forward 4 link. Your truck will thank you years down the road.
well, i had a full reverse 4 link and i personally hated it. braking sucked and it also had bad axle wrap when i would take off. i got a lot of wheel hop with it too. now i have a forward 4 link and i like it. im going with an ls1 in my truck and i wouldn't trust anything other than a forward 4 link.
The debate rages on ! Guys with reverse links are no lazier than anyone else. I'm sure if the tank wasn't there we'd all run them forward because it's "easy".
Running two bars forward and two bars backwards isn't a good idea at all. Use the front and rear mounting points as center points for arcs. Draw the arcs about the centerline of the wheels and you'll see that when travelling up and down the arcs pull away from each other. You can now see why that wouldn't be a good thing.
Running two bars forward and two bars backwards isn't a good idea at all. Use the front and rear mounting points as center points for arcs. Draw the arcs about the centerline of the wheels and you'll see that when travelling up and down the arcs pull away from each other. You can now see why that wouldn't be a good thing.
ok i am one of these members with a half and half, and it sucks, i wasn't the one who installed it, but i'd never tell anyone to do it. I've got wheel hop from the start, braking sux, and cornering, don't even think about a high speed turn(anything over 50)...this winter mine gets ripped apart and redone by someone who knows what they are doing! My Father!(that's funny)...
I have Jasons rear bridge kit with a FBI 4 link with 2 bars running forward and 2 bars running backward and I have not had any problems at all. My pinion angle does not change very much at all and I do not get axle hop. You guys that are getting axle hop are you running shocks? I think if it is done right and if time is taken to make sure all your measurements are right and your pinion angle is within means you will have no problems.
its funny slammed has talked to so many with reverse triangulated.. and every time Pxl says anything about themhe calls BS and PXL ran his reverse triangulated for over a year with no problems with a 305 and had no problems braking
ppl that have a problem with them that ive seen hacked them or just did a piss poor install a good install will work and in PXL's words
it doesnt matter what you get as long as you install it properly
ppl that have a problem with them that ive seen hacked them or just did a piss poor install a good install will work and in PXL's words
it doesnt matter what you get as long as you install it properly
This is so true. I never had a problem, never seen anyone have a problem. If some tells you they had problems, then it was because of a bad install. Granted the reverse is harder to install because you need to have proper pinion angle. but if you do it right, you love it. Mine had great handling and very very good traction!HuTcH said:
this topic has been played out on some many levels. but you want to know the truth about "off brand" products, ask someone who uses it, not air ride tech junkies.
I run my 4-link that way, two bars forward and two bars reverse and I have had no problems.
I was wondering the same thing if it would be ok to run them reverse, but I talked to a bunch of people that have it that way and have had no problems.
But everything works perfect on mine.
I was wondering the same thing if it would be ok to run them reverse, but I talked to a bunch of people that have it that way and have had no problems.
But everything works perfect on mine.
hey i dont know a whole lot about how to do a reverse tri or half half setup the right way but i was at indy this weekend and i saw a s-10 truck the 2 upper bars going backward and the 2 bottom bars going forward and i looked as he lifted his truck all the way up and all the way down the frotn of his differental moves up and down 3 to 4 inchs easy!!!! he told me he hates it, he has horable braking handling and pinnion shakes at all speeds and wheel hop all the tim at all pressures in the bag. u guys all say that setups liek this where done wrong with poor installs... what was wrong with his setup? why did he get so much pinion change just sitting there going up and down... did he mount the bars odd or somethig? what is the correct way to fix his problem and keep the half n half setup? does bar angles matter in this? TNA to all the half and half and revisre tri experts.
Exactly, I said MANY, not ALL. And i DID NOT say that everyone I talked with had a problem, i said MOST.HuTcH said:
anyone can throw some fancy krylon on a set up the hillbilly uncle welded up, its all in the measurements and proper pinion angle, one inch off on one side can cause serious problems. when my dime goes up and down the pinion angle moves only about 2 inches which is normal even on a unmodified truck. if people are having problems with this set up id have to say chech your measurements again lol.
Handling
Reverse four-links are for trailer queens and lazy people with no fabrication skills. Just because you can cut maltese cross bag mounts doesn't mean with a plasma cutter doesn't qualify you to set up a suspension. Show me a vehicle that has ever produced that has anything similar to a reverse four-link. Do you think engineers ever considered compromising handling, ride, and safety because they couldn't find a place for a gas tank?
come on guys, this sport has evolved past reverse four-links, sway-bar shocks, and wheelbarrow tubs.
I would take on any truck with a reverse four link in the corners and make you ask me afterwards to turn the bars around and put it on CORRECTLY.
later:twak:
Reverse four-links are for trailer queens and lazy people with no fabrication skills. Just because you can cut maltese cross bag mounts doesn't mean with a plasma cutter doesn't qualify you to set up a suspension. Show me a vehicle that has ever produced that has anything similar to a reverse four-link. Do you think engineers ever considered compromising handling, ride, and safety because they couldn't find a place for a gas tank?
come on guys, this sport has evolved past reverse four-links, sway-bar shocks, and wheelbarrow tubs.
I would take on any truck with a reverse four link in the corners and make you ask me afterwards to turn the bars around and put it on CORRECTLY.
later:twak:
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